GC01 Metaurus (207 BC)

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12 years 6 months ago - 1 year 1 month ago #4296 by alecrespi
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2 years 1 month ago #4297 by RiverWanderer
"The Roman player at the beginning of the game, can get both units in the red rectangle, off the map. They can enter the map at the beginning of round 5 game Roman, from any hex map in the left sector reported by Roman arrows."

I don't see a red rectangle. Perhaps this scenario page is missing something ?

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2 years 1 month ago #4298 by Mark-McG
Replied by Mark-McG on topic GC01 Metaurus (207 BC)
the Metaurus battle seems particularly ill-served by scenarios, admittedly it is a confusing one in the sources, and difficult to simulate in C&C (esp. Epic) because of Nero's march from one flank to the other. However, it is one of the most important battles of the 2nd Punic War, so it would be good to see a better scenario, based on the account of Polybius
penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/11*.html
and to a certain extent Livy
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Pe...%3D27%3Achapter%3D48

both have Claudius Nero on the right flank, and then moving to the Left flank, apparently behind the Spanish troops on the Carthagian Right

 

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1 year 1 month ago - 1 year 1 month ago #9265 by bartok
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Something about the roman reinforcement (red rectangle) in round 5 Giancarlo Ceccoli? I would like to play the battle....correctly.

Now, we have: 
Carthaginian: 5 LS, 2 E, 4 A, 4 M, 3 W, 4 H, 4 LC =26+3L   

Roman: 8 LI, 8 A, 8 M, 4 H, 4 MC =32+ 3L
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1 year 1 month ago - 1 year 1 month ago #9267 by alecrespi
Replied by alecrespi on topic GC01 Metaurus (207 BC)
Hi,
I think these details are not reported correctly neither on the scenario page nor in the Vassal setup.

The Roman player at the beginning of the game, can get both units in the red rectangle, off the map. They can enter the map at the beginning of round 5 game Roman, from any hex map in the left sector reported by  Roman arrows.

Sadly I'm missing the original scenario file.
Can you please tell me what to add?
Thank you
 
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1 year 1 month ago - 1 year 1 month ago #9268 by Mark-McG
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From Polybius;
2 None of these things were agreeable to Hasdrubal, but as circumstances did not admit of delay, for he saw the Romans already in battle order and advantage, he was obliged to draw up his Iberians and the Gauls who were with him. 
3 Stationing his elephants, ten in number, in front, he increased the depth of his line, making the front of his whole army very narrow, and then taking up his position in the centre behind the elephants fell upon the enemy's left, having determined either to conquer or die in this battle. 
4 Livius advanced to meet the enemy's attack in an imposing fashion, and on encountering them with his army fought gallantly. 
5 Claudius,​ who was stationed on the right wing, could not advance and outflank the enemy owing to the difficult character of the ground in front of him, relying on which Hasdrubal had attacked the Roman left, 
6 but when he found himself thus at a loss owing to his forced inaction, circumstances suggested to him what ought to be done. 
7 Having therefore collected his men from the right wing in the rear of the field he passed round the left of the Roman camp and attacked the Carthaginians in flank where the elephants were. 
8 Up to now the victory had been disputed, for the men fought on both sides with equal bravery, as there was no hope of safety either for the Romans if defeated or for the Spaniards and Carthaginians. The elephants too had been of equal service to both sides in the battle; 
9 for as they were shut in between the two armies and tormented by missiles, they threw both the Roman and the Spanish ranks into confusion. 
10 But as soon as Claudius​ fell on the enemy from behind, the battle became unequal, as the Spaniards were now attacked both in front and rear. 
11 In consequence they were most of them cut to pieces on the battle-field. 
12 Of the elephants six were killed with their drivers and the other four having forced their way through the ranks were captured afterwards alone and abandoned by their Indians.

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