297 Battle of Porta Lame - Part 2

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3 years 9 months ago - 1 year 2 months ago #804 by alecrespi
Last edit: 1 year 2 months ago by alecrespi.

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1 year 3 months ago #1121 by JVHillegas-Elting
I'm super curious about the German MG 151/20 (PAK40) unit in this scenario.

Conducting some Internet research I see that the MG 151/20 was a 20×82mm autocannon developed for aircraft use. The Pak 40 was a 75 mm L/46 anti-tank gun. I haven't found any German weapons with the combined name. Is this nomenclature in error, or have I missed something?

If the Germans had rigged MG 151/20 autocannons in some way as to use them as field weapons, I'm keen to learn more. I can't readily find any sources describing this.

Thanks!

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1 year 2 months ago #1141 by alecrespi

I'm super curious about the German MG 151/20 (PAK40) unit in this scenario.
James, you are right!
The image of the PAK 40 was used because a more appropriate image to represent the 20 mm rapid-fire gun was not available.
The actual name "MG151/20" is a mistake (already fixed on the scenario page).
It is the Flakvierling 38 20mm Antiaircraft Gun in "ground configuration".

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1 year 2 months ago #1144 by pino
Sorry for the mistake about the 20mm Flakvierling 38... my fault
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1 year 2 months ago #1162 by JVHillegas-Elting
No worries, and thanks to you and Alessandro for the clarification!

I'll integrate this into my consolidate unit stats spreadsheet.

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1 year 2 months ago #1169 by JVHillegas-Elting
I've had a bit of time to delve into the history and specs of the Flakvierling 38, and here's what I propose for consideration . . .

The base firepower of the gun should be calibrated to all guns of the 20-29 mm caliber range, which is FAI = R5, F4 and FAV = R4, F3.

However, we need to consider the quad mount. The only other (player-created) ToI unit with a quad mount (thus far) is the American M16 "Quad 50" Half-Track. Its foundational stats are based on guns in the ≥ 10 to < 20 mm range, which is FAI = R5, F4 and FAV = R3, F3. With the quad mount, however, I proposed following Kyle Larson’s lead which mirrors these stats except against infantry F = 8, which seemed a justifiable gameplay increase to reflect the weapon’s effectiveness against infantry and soft targets.

So, with the Flakvierling 38, calibrated stats would seem to suggest FAI = R5, F10 and FAV = R4, F3.

What do you think?

Now that we have two quad-mounted player-created weapons in the game, I'm thinking the Firepower against Infantry may be too high for these units. Maybe we adjust these down by 2?

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1 year 2 months ago #1179 by alecrespi

So, with the Flakvierling 38, calibrated stats would seem to suggest FAI = R5, F10 and FAV = R4, F3.

I agree with these stats adding "Firepower against Infantry" reduced by 2.
FAI = R5, F8
FAV = R4, F3
This is my "vote". 

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1 year 2 months ago #1188 by pino
Hello,
I'm completely agree with the Flakvierling 38 20mm stat you have posted.

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