066 Order No. 227

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4 years 6 months ago - 1 month 2 weeks ago #402 by alecrespi
066 Order No. 227 was created by alecrespi
The central district of Stalingrad was known for continuous home-to-house fighting. The most famous action was the defense of "Pavlov House" a multi-story building overlooking a square with excellent visibility.
Multiple machine guns at different vantage points, minefields and razor whe. and an AT gun positioned on roof allowed Soviet defenders to hold on for 58 days betbir being relieved.

066 Order No. 227

Last edit: 1 month 2 weeks ago by alecrespi. Reason: fixed description / scenario picture
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1 month 2 weeks ago #1485 by jfuller
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I notice in this scenario the module has the two bombarded hex terrains replaced by buildings.  Is this intentional? It would slightly help block German LOS from the right side of the board, but they can still see across from the left.

Also, what about the yellow setup hexes for Soviet mortars? Seems suicidal with German initiative.

Is this the dreaded broken scenario?

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1 month 2 weeks ago #1488 by alecrespi
Replied by alecrespi on topic 066 Order No. 227
I think I forgot a bombarded terrain on the hex labeled 51A.
Can you tell me where you see the other missing or incorrect hexes?

I may have made some changes according to the special rule: "Collapsed buildings in this scenario are treated like bombarded terrain hexes except their cover is reduced by two".

But if there are any mistakes, please let me know and I will correct them.

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1 month 2 weeks ago #1489 by jfuller
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This scenario is a difficult one as, as written in the booklet, it is seen to be broken.

First off in your module:
The two "houses" you have in the module near the German side are listed as collapsed houses in the booklet, not a full house. (50A)

Scenario issues (not your module)
1) There are two hexes (the front of the Soviets 'pavlovs house')  that are yellow in the scenario - where the mortar teams can set up on roof.  In practice they are then immediately blown to smithereens by the German tanks which start with LOS and have concussive firepower.  It seems a few people online have decided the mortars can setup on all of the roof.  This does fix some of the issue

2) why would the Soviets set up their t70s which cannot move in the back hexes with no LOS?  - actually in your module you put them there, but from there they are useless 

Anyways it's all food for thought, I appreciate your efforts 
 
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1 month 2 weeks ago - 1 month 2 weeks ago #1490 by alecrespi
Replied by alecrespi on topic 066 Order No. 227

This scenario is a difficult one as, as written in the booklet, it is seen to be broken.

First off in your module:
The two "houses" you have in the module near the German side are listed as collapsed houses in the booklet, not a full house. (50A)


 
I fixed the scenario in Vassal and updated the module to reflect the changes (see updated image on the site).

Scenario issues (not your module)
1) There are two hexes (the front of the Soviets 'pavlovs house')  that are yellow in the scenario - where the mortar teams can set up on roof.  In practice they are then immediately blown to smithereens by the German tanks which start with LOS and have concussive firepower.  It seems a few people online have decided the mortars can setup on all of the roof.  This does fix some of the issue
I like the idea, I can add it as a suggestion on the site page (if you have a reference let me know).

2) why would the Soviets set up their t70s which cannot move in the back hexes with no LOS?  - actually in your module you put them there, but from there they are useless 
Actually, the deployment of the units was done years ago (during the creation of the module) and I didn't notice the special rule (Players are still free to move the initial units to any available colored hex.)
They could probably be more useful in the 2 collapsed buildings between board 42A and 50A, what do you think?
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1 month 2 weeks ago #1491 by jfuller
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For reference: boardgamegeek.com/thread/1346397/i-think-we-broke-order-227

(Willem @boersma8) Posts about it

2nd) regarding tanks I am not sure. It seemed dangerous to put them in the collapsed houses though I do see it seems that is the intention.

The only other alternative is on the Soviet right flank where it can op fire it's Mgs into the open areas ahead.
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2 weeks 23 hours ago #1495 by jfuller
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What are the reinforcement hexes for this scenario?

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1 week 2 days ago #1496 by alecrespi
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What are the reinforcement hexes for this scenario?
 
Looking at the hexes for the initial setup and using common sense, I would use the ones shown in the attached image.

In fact, the "R"s aren't even shown in the official scenario.

I was wondering if the first line of the Special Rules isn't correct.
In all other campaign scenarios, the "Campaign Strategy Decks" are always used exclusively, never the regular ones.

 

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