Battle Fury Combat Card

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8 years 3 months ago #232 by Falkirk
The Battle Fury Card reads as follows: "After a successful close combat in which the enemy unit is either eliminated or retreats from its hex, target may gain ground and make a bonus close combat with 1 additional die.

If the target unit has already made a bonus close combat, it may gain ground a second time and make a second bonus close combat."

QUESTION: When one plays the Battle Fury Card, does the attacker get an additional die if they are eligible for a second bonus attack or is the additional die only received in the first bonus attack?

EXAMPLE: I attack unit A. I retreat them. I play the Battle Fury card, advance into the vacated hex, and attack them again with one additional die. I retreat them again. I advance for a second time, attack them for a third and final time. Do I get the additional die on this attack too or only on the first attack allowed by the Battle Fury Card?

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8 years 3 months ago #233 by Mark-McG
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as I read it, you only get the additional die for the bonus attack given by the Battle Fury card.

off the cuff I don't know of any other way a bonus attack can be gained, and only 1 Combat card per turn, so I don't see how the 2nd sentence is possible (yet). In many C&C games cavalry get a bonus attack, so this may be in expectation of their introduction. Stormtroopers may be an alternative as well.

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8 years 3 months ago #236 by Falkirk
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Thank you for your response, Mark. However, in reading your response, I'm not sure that you're reading all of the Battle Fury Card. The first sentence says:

"After a successful close combat in which the enemy unit is either eliminated or retreats from its hex, target may gain ground and make a bonus close combat with 1 additional die."

This is plain enough. If an enemy unit is destroyed or retreated; the card may be played; and the attacking unit may advance and perform an additional attack, with 1 additional die.

However, there is an important second sentence to the card too:

"If the target unit has already made a bonus close combat, it may gain ground a second time and make a second bonus close combat."

In other words, a unit may, under the proper circumstances, attack THREE TIMES during the same turn. First the initial attack. Second, the Battle Fury attack. Third, a second Battle Fury attack.

Since the language in the second sentence does not mention an additional die, we interpret this card as giving the attacker an additional die in the first Battle Fury attack, but not the second Battle Fury attack. However, the language is ambiguous. It's possible that the additional die mentioned in the first sentence of the card was meant to apply to the second sentence too. If that were the case, then the additional die would be applied during both the first and second Battle Fury combats.

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8 years 2 months ago #249 by Mark-McG
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Falkirk wrote: However, there is an important second sentence to the card too:

"If the target unit has already made a bonus close combat, it may gain ground a second time and make a second bonus close combat."

In other words, a unit may, under the proper circumstances, attack THREE TIMES during the same turn. First the initial attack. Second, the Battle Fury attack. Third, a second Battle Fury attack.


this isn't possible, you can only play 1 Combat card per turn, so it is impossible to make two Battle Fury attacks. I don't see that a single Battle Fury card can allow both the first and second instance with a single play. i.e. and 2nd & 3rd attack allowed by a single Combat card, it runs contrary to normal Combat Card play.

if some future unit gets an inherent breakthrough attack, then possibly Battle Fury could create a 3rd attack, but this is speculative and incapable of sensible answer.

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8 years 2 months ago #250 by Falkirk
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Thank you for your response, Mark, however, I'm not talking about playing a second card, which would violate the game rules (and also be impossible since there is only one Battle Fury card). I'm talking about three attacks springing from the wording of a single Battle Cry Card. Here is the language used on the card:

"After a successful close combat in which the enemy unit is either eliminated or retreats from its hex, target may gain ground and make a bonus close combat with 1 additional die.
If the target unit has already made a bonus close combat, it may gain ground a second time and make a second bonus close combat."

Do you see in the second line it says that if the large unit has already made a bonus close combat, it may gain ground a second time and make a second bonus close combat"?

I read the card to allow three attacks. 1) the original attack. 2) The bonus attack; 3) a second bonus attack if eligible.

My question is whether the attacker receives the bonus die on the second bonus attack (third attack overall).

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6 years 4 months ago - 6 years 4 months ago #702 by Clexton27
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My guess is that the sentence implying a third attack is a misprint. In Memoir ' 44 (Another Commands & Colors game) a similar combat card to Battle Fury exists called Heat of Battle which only permits one additional battle.





Although I know Richard Borg uses a different ruleset for TGW, this third battle seems a little "over the top" (excuse the pun.
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6 years 4 months ago #703 by Mark-McG
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I don't really see that there is a misprint, in that the card is reasonably clear.
I think the phrase that hasn't been properly considered is the sequencing phrase
" Play after successful close combat"
The contention is that this effect could endure over multiple bonus attacks, and I think that is not correct, but I guess could use clarification.

One thing to note is that the Officer Special Personnel figure will allow infantry to gain ground and make a bonus attack, and so it then becomes possible for Battle Fury to be played subsequent to that Bonus Attack to make an additional Bonus Attack (a 3rd attack), so the last sentence now has some real meaning, not just a theoretical position.

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6 years 4 months ago #706 by Clexton27
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Mark McG wrote: I don't really see that there is a misprint, in that the card is reasonably clear.
I think the phrase that hasn't been properly considered is the sequencing phrase
" Play after successful close combat"
The contention is that this effect could endure over multiple bonus attacks, and I think that is not correct, but I guess could use clarification.

One thing to note is that the Officer Special Personnel figure will allow infantry to gain ground and make a bonus attack, and so it then becomes possible for Battle Fury to be played subsequent to that Bonus Attack to make an additional Bonus Attack (a 3rd attack), so the last sentence now has some real meaning, not just a theoretical position.


I was not aware of the Officer Special Personnel figure rule as it does not appear in the general rulebook. The line allowing a third attack would make sense in that context, so game on!

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6 years 4 months ago #707 by Mark-McG
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Clexton27 wrote: I was not aware of the Officer Special Personnel figure rule as it does not appear in the general rulebook. The line allowing a third attack would make sense in that context, so game on!


Coming with the French Expansion, but that was what the draft rule says.

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