MM02 Germantown (4 October 1777)

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6 years 10 months ago #1327 by alecrespi

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6 years 1 month ago #1905 by Mark-McG

I have to say after the consistency of the British wins in MT10 (5-1 in most cases), I'm not happy with this scenario and will pull it back for redesign. The fog was a historical feature, which amongst other things saw a friendly fire accident by the Americans.

The British won Germantown, but were surprised and could have lost easily enough without the delay caused by the resolute defence of Chew Mansion.
Some possibilities for balancing this are to move forward Greene's force by a hex, and to remove the -1 on moving Spanish ranged fire.

If anyone has other thoughts, please let me know.

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6 years 1 month ago #1906 by Grondeaux
After having just played Germantown twice, I have a couple of thoughts:

Remove the -1 die modifier for fog. That would significantly affect the Americans. They are still going to be pretty outgunned, but being able to roll one die when moving sure beats not rolling at all. The main problem I see with that is that you remove the simulation of the fog, which was a significant event in the real battle. Brad Hurst (Tarheel) is working on a Caldiero scenario in the fog and he's trying a range restriction of 2 (which affects ART only, of course) and a maximum move of 1. I don't think implementing that at Germantown would affect the balance, though.

I note that some of the other AWI scenarios give the Americans a +1 for Standing Ranged fire. If added at Germantown, that might give them a bit more of an edge as well.

The other AWI designer allows the Americans to conduct all Leader Checks with just 1 die. None of our flags were from Leader kills, but the Americans need all the help they can get.

I'm not sure those would tilt the scenario balance enough to give the Americans a shot at winning, but they're the only ideas I have. Maybe coupled with the ideas in your post above they would.

Having said all that, I enjoyed playing the scenario as both sides, and thanks for taking the time to create it; it's certainly a challenge as the Americans. I actually thought it was pretty good for the semi, where you switch sides and the whole idea is to do better than your opponent did. It does, however, magnify any "dice issues."


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6 years 1 month ago - 6 years 1 month ago #1980 by Mark-McG
Been thinking over the Continental Army, and my views are thus;

The Continental Army was essentially a volunteer, citizen army. They were for the most part militia initially, with not much battle drill. There were some experienced frontier fighters from the French & Indian War, mostly in the north.

The Army of 1775-1776 was a composite state force, recruited for a year service. They behaved better than expected at Bunker Hill, but still lost. 1776 sees a series of defensive engagements. Trenton is an exception, a winter surprise raid.

1777 seems the Continental Army lose a series of battles in the Philadelphia campaign, but achieved a vital success at Saratoga in defeating Burgoyne. A significant factor at Saratoga is the terrain, which favoured the frontiersmen. Enlistments are now for 3 years. Despite defeats, the Continental Army survives, and gains experience.

The winter of 1777-78 is spent at Valley Forge, under the training of von Steuben, creating a tougher, better trained force. From 1778-1780, the Continental Army fight small engagements, but generally the regular troops perform creditably. The British shift operations to the Southern theatre.

So I can see an evolutionary aspect to the Continental Army.
So whilst I'm not unhappy with their Spanish characteristics in 1775-76, for 1777 they should improve, and improve again in 1778-80

So my though here is
1775-76 = as Spanish
1777 = as Spanish, but remove moving battle -1 (melee & ranged)
1778-1780 = as 1777, but gain +1 Standing Fire

This would make them better in all 4 scenarios of the Philadelphia Campaign (Brandywine, Germantown, Monmouth Courthouse & Monmouth).

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Last edit: 6 years 1 month ago by Mark-McG.

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5 years 4 months ago - 5 years 4 months ago #2901 by Mark-McG
Germantown V3

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Battle Notes
British Army
• Commander: Howe
• 2* Command Cards (*increases to 5)
• 4 Tactics Cards (Optional)

American Army
• Commander: Washington
• 5 Command Cards
• 6 Tactics Cards (Optional)
• Move First

5 Banners

Special Rules
• The Americans use the Spanish blocks and are treated as Spanish, but remove moving battle -1 (melee & ranged)
• American units may not form square.
British start with 2 Command cards and draw 2 each turn until they reach 5 Command cards.
• The Portuguese units represent Hessan & Loyalist units, which are treated as British in all respects except that Line
Infantry melee with 1 additional die.
• The Spanish Guerrilla Action rule is not in effect.
• Wissahickon Creek is not fordable except at the ford. Frankford Creek is fordable, and units may move and battle in
printed fords without penalty.
• All Ranged fire is reduced by 1 die due to the Fog.
• Chew Mansion (a walled Farm) is worth a Victory Banner to a side that occupies it at the start of their turn.

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Last edit: 5 years 4 months ago by Mark-McG.

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