116 Vitoria (21 June 1813)

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8 years 9 months ago #642 by alecrespi

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8 years 1 month ago - 8 years 1 month ago #818 by Mark-McG
My recall of this scenario is that Kempe has real trouble crossing the Zadorra River, mainly because of the constricted exit off the bridge. In fact it was almost unguarded and they crossed easily.

Generally speaking the French forces seem setup rather close to the British lines.

Wellington could get 6 cards too.

Bit of history off the Penisular War website
www.peninsularwar.org/vitoria.htm

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3 years 9 months ago - 3 years 9 months ago #4400 by Tarheel
Replied by Tarheel on topic 116 Vitoria (21 June 1813)
Played this scenario for the first time last night. I wonder if the tactician cards alter the statistics much. I suspect many of the games listed here we're playing before these cards existed. I won as the allies nine banners to five. This was thankfully helped by 2 leader kills. getting the right tactician cards can be big for the allies and I had some good ones. my battle plan initially was to attack the right center after and immediate attack with Calvary, The latter of which took heavy damage but I was able to push the french back a little. a maneuver card allowed me to evacuate this plan and reinforce the right side for a heavy push the battle was won along of the hill. The side of the battle with a river was not very active thankfully because it can be a disaster I suspect. My opponents success there was getting rid of my light British unit due to pot shots from cannons and infantry. It is in a bad position since It can't retreat. several replays of this scenario are probably necessary to draw conclusions.
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3 years 9 months ago #4403 by Mark-McG
Replied by Mark-McG on topic 116 Vitoria (21 June 1813)
I'd estimate the majority of plays are pre-Tactics cards, but in this scenario I think the problem is that contrary to the historical narrative, Kempe must cross a bridge into the teeth of the French defence. The bridge has 1 exit, and the hill is in a French cross fire and without possibility of support. The British left flank is a death trap, rather than the unguarded flanking march it was historically. As long as the Brits have a good supply of Centre cards then that doesn't matter, but the whole setup seems too close in my view.

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3 years 9 months ago #4404 by Mark-McG
Replied by Mark-McG on topic 116 Vitoria (21 June 1813)
surprised there is no Epic version (official or fan) of this famous battle. I think the extra board depth would help here.

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3 years 8 months ago #4418 by Superman
Replied by Superman on topic 116 Vitoria (21 June 1813)
i think this scenario comes down to how lucky you roll dice on the first turn as both sides are separated by only one hex in the center. If you don't begin with any center cards, you're hosed.

I wonder if the British had a Grand Maneuver card first turn and used it to bring his 4 left flank infantry units that are trapped behind the river; if that would make much of a difference. Those units get slaughtered if you bring them across the bridge one at a time. Some would still get wiped out, but the French have a target rich environment either way.

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2 years 6 months ago #5208 by sharpe1812
I agree with Mark. The scenario --unhistorically-- favors the French even with Tactician Cards. Scenario illustrates why the French are superior with their +1 melee bonus and 4-block cavalry units.

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