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102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)

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5 years 4 months ago #625 by alecrespi
alecrespi created the topic: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)

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5 years 3 months ago - 2 years 10 months ago #664 by Bayernkini
Bayernkini replied the topic: Re: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)

Ordered Spanish units may move off the Spanish edge of the battlefield. After three ordered Spanish units have
moved off, the Spanish player will gain one Victory Banner for each additional ordered Spanish unit that moves off
the Spanish edge of the battlefield. Spanish Leaders that are ordered and are moved off the Spanish edge of the
battlefield will not count as a Victory Banner for the Spanish player, but their exit may prevent the French player from
gaining banners for their elimination if they remain on the battlefield.


Q: If the spanish MUST retreat because of a result of a range or Close
combat, count These units also to this rule above?

A: No, only ordered units, which leave during movement phase the board,
counts as VP.

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Last Edit: 2 years 10 months ago by Bayernkini.

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5 years 3 months ago - 5 years 3 months ago #665 by Hawkmoon-von-Köln
Hawkmoon-von-Köln replied the topic: Re: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
Played this afternoon :
2 french victories (6/1 ; 6/5)
The 1st was in only one way (cards and dices for the same guy : me ! So my opponent stayed very disappointed).
Spanish player has to take a maximum of flags to make his troops evade (spanish can't afford the "Furia Francese" from the Line Infantry which is completely present (14 units !)

We ride the tricycles
of true metal of steel
While others bands play,
we eat happy meal
In the forest of minerals,
The posers we kill !
Nanowar of Steel (Blood of the Queens)
Last Edit: 5 years 3 months ago by Hawkmoon-von-Köln.

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5 years 3 months ago #666 by Hawkmoon-von-Köln
Hawkmoon-von-Köln replied the topic: Re: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
No, like in others games from Richard, the unit has to be ordered to quit the board as it is said in the Victory conditions.

We ride the tricycles
of true metal of steel
While others bands play,
we eat happy meal
In the forest of minerals,
The posers we kill !
Nanowar of Steel (Blood of the Queens)

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5 years 2 months ago #709 by Mark-McG
Mark-McG replied the topic: Re: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
this is one of the suckiest C&C scenarios I've played. Spanish march off the map, French pursue with Line Infantry. Every banner puts the Spanish closer to the edge.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

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4 years 8 months ago #817 by Mark-McG
Mark-McG replied the topic: Re: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
I have to think the fix to this scenario involves French cavalry. Even Light Infantry would be better. Pursuit with Line Infantry is just not feasible.

Maybe upping the Spanish exit requirement to 5 before the units start to count might work too.

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2 years 1 month ago - 2 years 1 month ago #2562 by Mark-McG
Mark-McG replied the topic: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
So my current view on this scenario is that to get close to balanced;
Spanish exit requirement is 6 units before they start counting as banners
AND
the French can substitute 1 LT for an LN in the Centre and the Left.
This corresponds to the French divisional compositions.

Lefebvre's IV Corps included three infantry divisions and 36 cannon. Major-General Horace Sébastiani's 1st Division contained the 28th Light and 75th Line (3 battalions) and the 32nd and 58th Line (2 bns.). Maj-Gen Leval's 2nd Division was made up of the Dutch brigade and 2 bns. each of the 2nd Nassau, 4th Baden and Hesse-Darmstadt Gross-und-Erbprinz Regiments, and the Paris National Guard and Frankfurt battalions. Maj-Gen Eugene-Casimir Villatte's 3rd Division included 3 bns. each of the 27th Light, 63rd, 94th and 95th Line.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pancorbo_%281808%29

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Last Edit: 2 years 1 month ago by Mark-McG.

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2 years 1 month ago #2563 by Bayernkini
Bayernkini replied the topic: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
Just started with a friend, to revise all outbalanced scenarios.
The intention is, to change only less and small things, if possible.
So this scenario is the first, we played today a lot of time.
We kept the original setup and the only small change was, to get the spanish Exit VP after the 4th unit, instead after the 3rd.
And it worked very well.

• Ordered Spanish units may move off the Spanish edge of the battlefield.
After four ordered Spanish units have moved off,
the Spanish player will gain one Victory Banner for each additional ordered Spanish unit that moves off the Spanish edge of
the battlefield. Spanish Leaders that are ordered and are moved off the Spanish edge of the battlefield will not count as a
Victory Banner for the Spanish player, but their exit may prevent the French player from gaining banners for their elimination
if they remain on the battlefield.

Here are 2 pics of one of our game, which was a really nice and funny situation at the standing of 5:5.
The spanish had only 1 block LT left on board and his next 2move would been his victory.
On the other side, the french had no card to order and battle the near units.
So the french had fortunately a LGM card, which allowed to block all escape paths of the spanish LT, so the spanish couldn´t use his next order to move this unit from board and the french could destroy this last block vor victory.




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1 week 1 day ago #4761 by sharpe1812
sharpe1812 replied the topic: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
Thanks for the notes Bayernkini on this scenario.

Great if you publish your Sp Win versus Br win.

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1 day 3 hours ago #4767 by sharpe1812
sharpe1812 replied the topic: 102 Zornoza (31 October 1808)
Thanks Mark G for your notes as well.

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