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3 months 3 weeks ago #5533 by Kaiserbill
Cavalry in C&CN was created by Kaiserbill
My colleague and I thought it strange that cavalry should be less vulnerable than infantry in C&CN so please see the results of our deliberations attached.
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3 months 3 weeks ago #5535 by Mark-McG
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So a couple of questions on the effects;

1. How does this effect Cavalry vs Cavalry combat, which is generally the most common form of cavalry combat in my experience. Cavalry hit Cavalry 50% of the die faces now, and then flags as well.

2. How does it effect Infantry vs Cavalry combat, where Infantry hit Cavalry 1/3 of the die faces when the Cavalry retire?

3. Does 3 strength Cavalry now become the kind of liability that 3 strength Russian Infantry is, but is eaasier to tuck aweay in some rear positions?

4. Are you testing these rules with the Tactician cards, since these cards tend to give more First strike possibilities?

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3 months 3 weeks ago #5539 by g1ul10
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By postulating that the artillery result also hits cavalry you'd have achieved the same result without any need of replacing dice stickers. I don't know enough about Napoleonic warfare to say if this modification does actually produce an increase in realism or not. In any case, it seems completely playable.

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3 months 3 weeks ago #5543 by Kaiserbill
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Mark,
Thanks for your interest in reply to your points
1. We have played now 6 Epic games with lots of cavalry on both sides and although it does make Cavalry vs Cavalry more "bloody" we think that is OK as it makes you more circumspect with them. Cavalry vs Cavalry engagements were it seems all too often decided very swiftly rarely ending in a standoff.

2. We have not considered this but we did not notice any huge difference, then again that might have been poor die rolls. If this was a problem a fix would be to ignore the face with the half and half or consider the infantry as moving firing so reducing the number of dice thrown.

3. The Prussians did not suffer unduly in our games we have not used the British yet. As you become aware of the increased vulnerability you tend to compensate. As I said before you use the cavalry in a different manner, often trying to preserve them as a breakthrough/outflanking force.

4. We used the tactics cards in all of our games, again there was no notable difference noted in any of the games.

Please note we do not play "competition" games so the play balance for such games has not been considered.

Thanks again
Bill

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3 months 3 weeks ago #5544 by Kaiserbill
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Thanks for your reply. We had not considered using the artillery face as you suggest however our method may be preferable as there maybe confusion during gameplay as to what and when constitutes a hit. Some of us are subject to confusion more than others myself included.

Bill

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3 months 3 weeks ago #5546 by Hawkmoon
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Interesting idea, my scottish comrade !

But for myself, it makes Cavalry very weaker. I'm not a specialist of the napolenic period but it seems that Cavalry was a masterpiece of an army.

We have tried another version : A unit attacked by a Cav or an Inf can fire its dices but only hits on dice figures ( then, the attacking unit rolls the initial dices less the suffered block lost) but there's no battleback in this way.

We have played also half losses. It costs 2 hits to remove one block. Then when a hit is obtained, a block is put down and does not count for fire or melee power.

This version made the game longer but is interesting regarding the statistics.

In fact , we continue playing the official rules for a principle of simplification.

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3 months 2 weeks ago #5552 by Kaiserbill
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Hawkmoon
Thanks for your interest. As to the power of cavalry it was on the wane by the Napoleonic period, it looked just as spectacular but was not as effective as it had been in the 17/18th centuries. Your ideas are interesting but simplicity was what we were aiming for with the change to the dice. Change the dice, minimal change to the rules. Indeed until Mark pointed out the problem with the evade rule we saw no need for further modification, but we are now playtesting ignoring the split die side when rolling for an evade. By all means stick with the rules as written, we have only made a suggestion after all.

Best regards

Bill

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3 weeks 5 days ago #5636 by Kaiserbill
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WE have now played with the modified dice for what seems like a long time but in essence is only a couple of months. We have ignored the split die face when rolling to hit evading cavalry and of course it then plays as the standard game in that respect. We continued to see players use cavalry in a more circumspect manner which in our view (you may of course disagree) is more historical. Prussian and British cavalry in particular have to be handled with care something Wellington would agree about I am sure.

Bill

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