Lancers versus Leader Orders a Fall Back card

Lancers attack another cavalry unit with attached leader and defending player uses the Leader Orders a Fall Back tactician card-
Do the lancers get to reroll the flags or does the card effect of "only unit symbols will cause a hit" override it?

Do the lancers get to reroll the flags or does the card effect of "only unit symbols will cause a hit" override it?

In a normal close combat, a crossword hits an unit (except the units, which never hits with cross-sabers).
And this card simple override exact those basic rule only. Not more, no less

But i will crosscheck it with Richard for sure and add it to the FAQ.

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Q: Because only unit symbols hits an unit and the flags are ignored for retreats, are the flags also ignored for the "Lancer reroll"?

A: Because only unit symbols rolled will score a hit, all other symbols, flags and sabers that would normally take effect are ignored because of the Combat card played.
Therefore no lancer reroll here.

Richard Borg; 2019-08-29

I am uncertain on the answer here, but a relevant comparison is Elephants in Ancients, since Elephants re-roll Swords.

The FAQ states " Only symbols that match the evading unit will score a hit when a unit is evading, flags, swords and leader symbols and other unit type symbols will all miss. In addition, If a unit evades an attack from an elephant, since sword rolls "miss," the elephant does not re-roll sword rolls."

Taken from Ancients - Commands and Colors System website.
www.commandsandcolors.net/ancients/
Page title: Evasion (Unit and Leader evade) - Ancients - Commands and Colors System
Page link: www.commandsandcolors.net/ancients/the-g...nd-leader-evade.html

so I'm leaning towards Lancers NOT re-rolling flags.

In a way it would be cleaner if they did, since it doesn't create a rules exception, just both rules were applied.

I went back and reread the lancer entry in Exp1

I would say to reroll flags. The card doesn't say anything about negating flag rolls, only negates saber rolls. Therefore flag rerolls would only hit on unit symbols, not sabers.

Final i got the response of Richard.

Q: Because only unit symbols hits an unit and the flags are ignored for retreats, are the flags also ignored for the "Lancer reroll"?

A: Because only unit symbols rolled will score a hit, all other symbols, flags and sabers that would normally take effect are ignored.
Therefore no lancer reroll here.


Richard Borg; 2019-08-29


I am surprised and played it contrary so far.

Our final answer is that lancers do get to re-roll flags, and then you ignore further flags and swords. Since lancer units are so rare in this game, it is nice for them to keep their special ability in this case.

“Our final answer is that lancers do get to re-roll flags, and then you ignore further flags and swords. Since lancer units are so rare in this game, it is nice for them to keep their special ability in this case.”

Much as I prefer this answer, it is not what the FAQ now says, does this statement come from Richard Borg?

Maybe "Superman" meant his answer as his own way to play it as house rule.

The answer from Richard was clear, NO Lancer reroll with flags.
Simple imagine the flags are also misses as other symbols.

Makes it consistent with Ancients/Elephants at least. I think we've been playing it differently though, so will have to change for the future.