Overhead fire for a unit on a hill?

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9 years 7 months ago #1209 by Achtung-Panzer
It seems that a unit on a lower level blocks the line of sight for ranged combat from a firing unit behind on an adjacent hill. This is not so in C&C: Napoleonics.

So am I right that ranged fire over an adjacent lower level unit is not possible from a hill hex? I can see the point of avoiding "friendly fire" on the unit below, but what about long distance weapons such as the Heavy War Machine? :unsure:

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9 years 7 months ago #1214 by Achtung-Panzer
Given the realistc tactic of firing bow from behind your front line, perhaps there's a house rule out there similar to the DBA/M rule on giving support in melee? Certainly adds an angle on the use of light infantry and their limited ability to inter-penetrate.

Thoughts anyone?

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9 years 7 months ago #1215 by Freeloading-Phill
In C&C Napoleonics it is only the artillery that can fire over other adjacent friendly units.

In Ancients situations I'm no expert but I imagine it is a friendly fire consideration and something that just wasn't really done in the battles.

Phill

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9 years 7 months ago #1216 by Achtung-Panzer
Yes I see your point about ranges and friendly fire, I'm quite confortable with diferences in rules between C&C: Ancients and C&C: Napoleonics. But perhaps a house rule for Heavy War Machines on a hill being able to fire over an adjacent, lower friendly unit? Has anyone tried this?

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9 years 7 months ago #1219 by Memenne

It seems that a unit on a lower level blocks the line of sight for ranged combat from a firing unit behind on an adjacent hill.

Where do you see that ? I can't find it in the rules.

It is written that units block LOS.
But, should one unit on a hill fire on a unit on another hill : if there is a unit at lower level between them, is LOS blocked ?
That sounds weird...
But the rules are not clear about that.

What do you think ?

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9 years 7 months ago #1220 by Achtung-Panzer
The fact that a lower level unit does indeed block LOS between two (non-connecting) hill placed units is a consistent C&C rule found in Memoir and other games. It has caused much comment similar to yours.

As for the overhead shooting, the rules state that the required LOS "is blocked only if a hex (or part of a hex) between the battling unit and the target hex contains an obstruction. Obstructions include a unit or leader... some terrian features and the edge of the battlefield" (p8). So no exemptions for hills.

C&C: Napoleonics rules show that adjacent lower level units do not block LOS for artillery, but no such allowance exists in C&C: Ancients.

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9 years 7 months ago #1221 by Memenne
OK, strange, but clear !

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