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14 years 4 months ago #660 by taliapharaoh
It just doesn't seem right to me that there is no distinction at all between Slingers and Light Bow...am I missing something?

Shouldn't there be some sort of difference between the two? It would seem that the rate of fire might be one, and could be reflected.

Thoughts?

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14 years 4 months ago #661 by liebenasuka
Replied by liebenasuka on topic Re:Slings & Arrows...
I think the original intention was to represent the prevalence of a certain range unit in a culture. Like in the original game, the Romans has more archers and the Carthaginians has more slings.

And yes I agree there should be some distinction to make it more sensible. Do you have any suggestions?

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14 years 4 months ago #662 by SeleucusI
Replied by SeleucusI on topic Re:Slings & Arrows...
Hi, everybody!:)
Coincidentally, I was thinking about possible distinction between these two unit types recently.
And I came to next variant:
1. Rules for light bow infantry should be leaved unchanged: range 3 hexes, roll two dices when stay, one dice when moved.
2. Rules for light sling infantry may be changed this way: range 2 hexes, roll two dices no matter what unit did: stood or moved.
In this variant slingers have shorter range but don't have penalty for movement.
Just remember how slingers were depicted in Alexandr movie, fast and shooting on move.
Maybe it make the sense, what do you think?

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14 years 4 months ago #665 by taliapharaoh
Replied by taliapharaoh on topic Re:Slings & Arrows...
Seleucus and liebenasuka, I agree with your thoughts.

This was my suggestion also, that slingers could fire on the move, due to the natural motion of a sling (seemingly, of course, as I have never used one) vs. the stationary, volley fire that bowmen utilized.

Speaking of volley fire, wouldn't it have been easier to coordinate the firing of bows, vs. slings, in ancient times? It would seem to me that an officer could order a volley of arrows, due to the stationary mechanics of the drawn and ready bow vs. the "windup time" and constant motion of the sling.

I have taken a look at what the internet has to say about range, and although there are some ancient accounts that state elite slingers could outrange the archers of the day, I find this hard to believe, due to the fact that at such a distance, the power would be seem to be greatly reduced.

I like the range vs. mobile-fire tradeoff, it seems to make sense to me.

Of course, there could be elite/special sling units that have a range of three.

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14 years 4 months ago #669 by eques
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I think one of the principles behind CC Ancients is the simplicity of the rules and they represent general trends of a battle rather than blow by blow recreation.

Therefore I'm happy with these rules as they stand.

Anyway if different ranks of slingers fired at different times (like musketmen of a later age) they would be able to maintain a constant rate.

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13 years 5 months ago #955 by Philippe
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You must not forget that the bow has been considerably enhanced during the last 2000 years. The longbpw of the middle ages is superior to the one used during antiquity, as the reflex bow of Huns, and then the one used by Magyar (a sort of long reflex bow).

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13 years 5 months ago #957 by The-Admiral
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I quite like the distinction made, and it makes sense. The problem is that this is a very simple game that works brilliantly, and there are a myriad of such small changes that could be made to the game. I personally am happy as the rules are.

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13 years 5 months ago #960 by Philippe
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I do agree. With the exception of rules concerning the phalanx, I think the game must remain as it is, simple and fast (I don't know if all this sounds very english, excuse me, poor frenchman that I am).

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13 years 4 months ago #981 by vdaoine
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Slings and bows of antiquity were pretty similar...the world record distance for a projectile fired from a sling is over 1,400 feet, so reducing their range in the game doesn't really match with their use in history. They are a long range, volley weapon, like the bow, and with lead ammunition prevalent in greece and beyond, just as deadly.

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13 years 3 weeks ago #1065 by Syphax
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Was there a significant difference in rate of fire between sling and bow? Was the sling a faster firing weapon? If so then should a sling unit be able to move and fire under these rules?

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