OT 2020 Round 5

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OT 2020 Round 5

Scenario: JD08 Gela (405 BC)

VASSAL Game file

Deadline: 31 July 2020

 Player 1   Game 1   Game 2   POINTS   Player 2   Game 1   Game 2   POINTS 
mk20336 6 6 3 TTK 2 3 0
azzy 6 2 1.5 taliapharaoh 2 6 1.5
Gonzo 6 3 1 Mark-McG 4 6 2
Michael V 3 6 1 g1ul10 6 5 2
Carthage 5 6 2 stormwalker 6 4 1
LeonardoAngelo 6 6 3 Tomek 5 5 0
spleen1980 6 2 1 Stanislav27 4 6 2
Gileforn 6 4 1 RiverWanderer 5 6 2
der_mandarin forfeit forfeit 0 Polonus100     3
gottoman 6 6 3 DigitalDick 4 4 0
Benlore 5 1 0 toganalper 6 6 3
Viridovilas forfeit forfeit 0 Cavie     3
Marco 6 6 3 Lemming100 2 4 0
scipio1zama 4 4 0 Andygor 6 6 3
PCScipio42 3 6 1.5 soul1st  6 3 1.5
EZPickins 5 6 2 kfan 6 3 1

 

Round 5 Cumulative Results

I want to point out here Michal's perfect score.. undefeated in 10 matches. 3 points every round.

Player Rnd 1 Rnd2 Rnd3 Rnd 4 Rnd5 Break*
mk20336 3 6 9 12 15 39.5
azzy 3 6 9 9 10.5 48.5
taliapharaoh 3 3 6 9 10.5 37.5
Mark-McG 2 5 6.5 8 10 40
Gonzo 0 3 6 9 10 37
TTK 2 5 6.5 9.5 9.5 46
g1ul10 3 4.5 5.5 7.5 9.5 39
LeonardoAngelo 1.5 4.5 5.5 6.5 9.5 34
Gileforn 1 4 6 8 9  
Carthage 3 3 4 7 9  
Michael V 3 6 6 7.5 8.5  
gottoman 3 4.5 5.5 5.5 8.5  
Polonus100 3 3 4 5.5 8.5  
spleen1980 3 6 6 7 8  
Stanislav27 0 2 5 6 8  
RiverWanderer 0 0 3 6 8  
stormwalker 3 4.5 6.5 6.5 7.5  
toganalper 0 3 4.5 4.5 7.5  
Marco 1 1 2 4 7  
Cavie 0 1 2 4 7  
Tomek 0 3 4.5 6.5 6.5  
Benlore   2 3 5 6  
Andygor 0 0 3 3 6  
der_mandarin 3 4.5 5.5 5.5 5.5  
DigitalDick 1.5 1.5 3.5 5 5  
PCScipio42 0 3 3 3 4.5  
soul1st  2 2 2 3 4.5  
Viridovilas 1 1 3 4 4  
Lemming100 0 1 2 3.5 3.5  
EZPickins 0 0 0 1.5 3.5  
scipio1zama 3 3 3 3 3  
kfan 0 0 0 1 2  

*Break is calculated by the sum of opponent scores

 

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TTK replied the topic: #3625 3 weeks 3 days ago
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off-line mini-toutnament

Saint-Petersburg, Russia



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Mark-McG replied the topic: #3573 2 months 4 weeks ago
wait no longer
www.commandsandcolors.net/ancients/artic...-quarter-finals.html

the draw is up, the scenario is chosen
BR004 Sellasia
This is a new design, that looks interesting but is unplayed. So something novel.
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mk20336 replied the topic: #3572 2 months 4 weeks ago

Mark-McG wrote: Cumulative scoring for Round 5 is up. Observe in wonder Michal's perfect score of 15 points, and the Top 8 progress to the Quarter Finals


Thank you Mark! Waiting for the quaterfinals!
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Mark-McG replied the topic: #3569 2 months 4 weeks ago
Cumulative scoring for Round 5 is up. Observe in wonder Michal's perfect score of 15 points, and the Top 8 progress to the Quarter Finals
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g1ul10 replied the topic: #3568 2 months 4 weeks ago
Game 1:

Carthage (Giulio): 6
Syracuse (Michael): 3

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The game remains balanced until the Syracusans lose their leader on the left flank. Michael maneuvers to organize his units around, the only surviving leader, under the constant threat of Carthaginian missiles. A last heroic double time fails to give the Syracusan the fourth VP.

Game 2:

Carthage (Michael): 6
Syracuse (Giulio): 5

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The Syracuse attack with heavy infantry on the right flank does not produce the expected results. While the Carthaginian mop up the last weakened remnants of the failed attack, the Syracuse army manages to eliminate a couple of light units on the left flank and almost win the game.
PCScipio42 replied the topic: #3567 2 months 4 weeks ago
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PCScipio42 replied the topic: #3566 2 months 4 weeks ago
Game 2
PCScipio42 (Syracusen) 6
Soulfirst (Carthage) 3

Syracuse able to flank Carthage via their right flank. Timely "First Strike" helped Syracuse.

Game 1
Soulfirst (Syracuse) 6
PCScipio42 (Carthage) 3

First game went pretty much as game 2, including a timely "First Strike" play.
Marco replied the topic: #3565 3 months 8 hours ago
Game 1
Marco (Syracusen) 6
Lemming100 (Carthaginian) 2

Both sides began with light movements, Syracusan by getting their left to safety and bringing Dionysius to the center to join the HI and MI, while the Carths brought their lights to the ramparts in excellent line formation, firing on the Syrs and heavily damaging Dionysiu's AUX. The Syrs then advanced the HI and MI in line, while the Carths brought up their Heavy units. The Syrs again advanced to the center and assaulted the ramparts, but to little effect. The Carths launched an effective attack on the left, eliminating an MI and sending the lights running. With a Clash of Shields the Syrs gained the ramparts in the center and did damage on the left. Again the Carths ordered Heavies, eliminating the MI on the left but having only slight effect in the center. Luckily withstanding a well timed First Strike, a Mounted Charge by the Syrs HC eliminated a HCH, . The Carths again advanced on the left, preparing to run the remaining Syrs lights off the field. After some indecision, the Syrs attacked to eliminate the last remaining MI in the center, and detached Dionysius to support the lone HI at the rear, which finished the damaged HI on the left. Dionysius was left alone in the center at the end of the battle.

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Game 2
Marco (Carthaginian) 6
Lemming100 (Syracusen) 4

Ignoring the left, the Syrs began with an aggressive charge on the right. They double timed forward, eliminated the bowmen, and gained the ramparts. The Carths could only withdraw their MI. The Syrs continued their attack in the center, pushing the Carths further back. After losing a MI in the center, the Syrs commanded their flanks, supporting the center and advancing on the left, eliminating the other bowman on the ramparts there. At this point the Syrs had almost complete control of the ramparts and were ahead 2-1. A light command by the Carths gained a banner, but the ramparts were now under complete control of the Syrs. A heavy command by the Syrs did damage to the center but took no banners, while a double time by the Carths took an AUX to safety and brought the MI to eliminate a Syrs HI. Again the Syrs pushed their HI in the center, gaining two more banners but leaving the HI units heavily damaged. The Carths chased off one HI with their HCH, and eliminated the other with their remaining damaged MI, causing Heloris to scramble back to the other heavily damaged HI in the center. Returning to the left, the Syrs did little damage while the Carths used the opportunity to advance their HI and HCH. The Syrs pushed their remaining MI on left, but failed to take a banner. Similarly, a Mounted Charge by the Carths in the center not only failed, but almost cost a HCH. A final Syrs attack in the center was evaded, while a Carths counterattack with the HCH finished the heavily damaged HI there, leaving Heloris alone to ponder his misfortune.

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Thanks Lemming 100 for a fun and challenging pair of battles!
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LeonardoAngelo replied the topic: #3564 3 months 1 day ago
1 Game
6 (Leonardo, Syrakuze) : 5 (Tomek, Cartago)

2 Game
6 (Leonardo, Cartago) - 5 (Tomek,Syrakuze)

These were 2 great games in my entire time playing the game.
Both times I lost 4-2 in the first game and 5-3 in the second.
Thanks to Tsvetomir, I'm always happy to play with him
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spleen1980 replied the topic: #3563 3 months 2 days ago
Many thanks to you, Stanislav. Wonderful after action report!
Both games were really exciting. I was skeptical about the scenario, but it turned out to be interesting, possibily as a consequence of some unpredictable dice rolls.
You deserved to win, you are a very skillful player.
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soul1st replied the topic: #3562 3 months 3 days ago
Game 1
PCScipio42 Carthaginian 3 banners
Soul1st Syracusan 6 banners


The Syracusans started the battle on their left flank, achieving nothing, and retreated towards their base. The Carthaginians manned the ramparts and drew up a defensive line on their left. The Syracusans slowly worked theid way around the ramparts to attack the Carthaginian left, who attacked with their heavy chariots. They were surprised by a first strike, and the chariots were eliminated. The Syracusans then continued their attack, winning 5 more banners while losing three.

A very quick battle where the first strike was very important.

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gottoman replied the topic: #3561 3 months 6 days ago
Game 1
DigitalDick Carthaginian 4 banners
Greg O Syracusan 6 banners

Game 2
DigitalDick Syracusan 5 banners
Greg O Carthaginian 6 banners



Both games were tense and tight affairs. They both started on the left and there were some clashing on the right with the Carthage mounted units, but they all came down to some grinding battles in the center.
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RiverWanderer replied the topic: #3560 3 months 6 days ago

Mark-McG wrote: so calling this 6-5 and 6-4


Of course; sorry! Corrected.
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Mark-McG replied the topic: #3559 3 months 6 days ago
so calling this 6-5 and 6-4
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RiverWanderer replied the topic: #3558 3 months 6 days ago
OT20 Round 5: Gela


Game 1
Gileforn Carthaginian: 6 banners
RiverWanderer Syracusan: 5 banners

Opening with Double-Time, Syracuse soon ran out of steam in the centre, whilst Carthage made a sustained assault against their left flank.
Syracuse fortunate to escape with a 5:6 loss.


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Game 2
RiverWanderer Carthaginian: 6 banners
Gileforn Syracusan: 4 banners

Steady Syracusan development was frustrated, first by misfortune that allowed Carthage to re-organise its right flank defences and then by a Cathaginian chariot charge that stalled the main Syracusan assault and swept away Heloris at the same time. A fresh assault led by Dionysus was halted at the ramparts by Himilco, who led a coordinated attack on Dionysus' Auxilia to take the winning banner.



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Thanks to Andrey for two enjoyable and close run games.
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Mark-McG replied the topic: #3555 3 months 1 week ago
Time draws near, please get your games played and reported
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toganalper replied the topic: #3554 3 months 1 week ago
Game1:
toganalper(Syracusa) 6 Banners
benglore (Carthage) 5 Banners

Game 2:
benglore (Syracusa) 1 Banners
toganlaper (Carthage) 6 Banners

Both games looked actually quite similar with the Syracusan left trying to escape from the Carthagian heavy troops lead by Mago. In the first game the Syracusan right were able to come to Dynasious help, whereas in the second game the Carthagian pushed very hard and fast tocapture all of the Syracusan left flank before they can scoot to the center or befrfore Heloris can come to help. Nearly no play had taken place in the right half of the board.

Thanks to benglore for getting up so eraly to play.

I believ this will be the end for both of us in this tournament. Accordingly, I would like to extend my sincere gratitiude to Mark and alll other to organize such great events and tournaments.

Please keep safe and be prepared against Covid-19

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Carthage replied the topic: #3553 3 months 1 week ago
Game1:
Carthage (Syracus) 5 Banners
stormwalker (Carthage) 6 Banners

Game 2:
stormwalker (Syracus) 4 Banners
Carthage (Carthage) 6 Banners
EZPickins replied the topic: #3552 3 months 1 week ago
OT 2020 Rnd 5 Game 2

EZpickins (Syracus) 6 Banners
Kfan (Carthage) 3 Banners

The initial attacks by the Syracusan right made no headway. I then switched to my right flank and sent the heavies in. Five banners were gained over several turns with the HC killing or participating in the killing of every one of them. It was eventually taken out but had all but won the game. David did good with what he had and was fun to play.

Game 1

EZpickins (Carthage) 5 banners
Kfan (Syracuse) 6 banners

I don't have the log but as I remember it Carthage got off to a strong start and had an early lead with 3 banners. Syracuse came roaring back on my left flank and came away with a convincing win. David played the better game and deserved the win.
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taliapharaoh replied the topic: #3550 3 months 1 week ago
Gela, Game 1

Azzy - Carthage - 6 Banners
Travis - Syracuse - 2 banners

Despite opening the game with the correct cards to first retreat my LI (we played the beach hexes as impassable), and then gain the battlements with a 2-0 lead on the Syracusan left, my opponents counterattacks were the deciding factor. Twice he made me pay for overly aggressive moves, as this one was decided by his systematic elimination of the 6 left-most Syracusan units. Adding to my demise was my frustration with my overabundance of (useless) center section cards, which got the better of me and prompted me to take a foolish chance, rather than back off and play it safe.

I played right into Azzy's hands, as I moved into a position that he was able to smash with his HI and then chase my units to the board's edge, as I lacked the cards to effectively escape. Well played by my opponent.
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taliapharaoh replied the topic: #3549 3 months 1 week ago
Round 5, game 2

Travis - Carthage - 6 banners
Azzy - Syracuse - 2 banners

In truth, Azzy outplayed me in both games, but didn't get the big rolls on his most aggressive turn of this one, which was a huge turning point in the match.

After getting drubbed 6-2 in the first game, I was hoping to man all hexes of the battlements and make him spill blood trying to take them. This did end up working, but only due to Azzy's unfortunate rolls. He expertly placed his right flank full of heavy units against my left edge of the battlements, but didn't get the hits necessary, and my battle-backs were fierce, as well as my follow-up turn with the chariots.

Even so, I lost two units in the melees, so I needed to be careful not to lose the third, and the opportunity presented itself on the opposite end of the line, when I was able to play a card to engage my HI and claim the final banner.
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Andygor replied the topic: #3548 3 months 2 weeks ago
Game 1Carthage (Andygor) 6Syracuse (scipio1zama) 4Game 2Syracuse (Andygor) 6Carthage (scipio1zama) 4Many thanks to my opponent for a friendly and calm game!

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Stanislav27 replied the topic: #3547 3 months 2 weeks ago
Game 1:

Carthage (spleen1980): 6
Syracuse (Stanislav27): 4


Syracuse opened the battle with extreme confidence, which quickly turned out to be misplaced. A supposedly unstoppable first-turn (i.e. the benefit of surprise) Double-Time with three Heavy Infantry, one Medium Infantry and the leader Heloris was thwarted with the trapped Carthaginian light bow unit losing only a single block. Another Light Infantry unit evaded and only lost two blocks. Carthage re-ordered its central line and the Syracusans pushed again, climbing over the wall. The first Carthaginian casualty was claimed, but the Syracusan line was over-extended and in shambles. (0-1)

After a Carthaginian counter-attack in the centre, the Syracusans tried to advance on the left with limited success, the Carthaginian light slingers holding on with a single block. The Carthaginians now killed the only Syracusan unit that had remained in front of the wall in the centre. With many right-flank cards, the Syracusans began positioning their cavalry, seeking to get a jump on their counterparts, while the Carthaginians seized the initiative on their right own right flank with considerable succes. (3-2)

The Syracusans could feel the battle slipping away so they finally initiated the long-planned Mounted Charge. With three Carthaginian cavalry units at their back line with very limited support, the Syracusans hoped that their Heavy Cavalry would roll up the Carthaginian charriots and riders, with the Light Cavalry poised to kill any remnants. Instead, the manoeuvre turned out to be a complete disaster. Only a single hit was landed, no roll-up ensued. Instead, the Carthaginians responded with their own Mounted Charge, slaughtering the Syracusan heavy cavalry. (4-2)

Syracuse had not been able to order their strong and advanced units in the centre for a long time. So they tried with desperation to seize the initiative on their left flank. But the defense was too strong. Mago inflicted further losses. And though Dionysus inspired a Light Infantry unit to score two kills on depleted Carthaginian units, it proved too little too late. Mago pushed on relentlessly on the Carthaginian right and earned a well-earned victory with the Syracusan centre never having been activated after the first three turns or so. (6-4)


Game 2:

Carthage (Stanislav27): 6
Syracuse (spleen1980): 2


The Syracusans wisely opened the battle by ordering their Light Troops. This allowed Dionysus to advance and the two precariously-placed Light units by the beach to withdraw while shooting. Thus, they escaped the Clash of Shield the Carthaginian general had had prepared for them.

The Syracusans then pushed strongly with their left wing, seeking to overwhelm the Carthaginian right. The light slingers promptly met their end. Himilco led a counter-attack, but in spite of dispatching one of Syracuse's medium infantry units, one of his own Auxilia units fell on the battle-back as well. (1-2).

Bitter fighting continued on the Carthaginian right flank. The defensive works proved highly valuable and one more Syracusan medium infantry unit fell. Mago then unleashed a murderous Double Time with Dionysus' Auxilia barely surviving the clash. The Carthaginians had seized the initiative on that flank and were now pushing forward. (2-2)

As the Syracusans skillfully withdrew with a Move-Fire-Move on their left, they also initiated some probing attacks on the Carthaginian cavalry. This prompted the Carthaginians to re-order their three cavalry units for mutual support while their central units sought to weaken the strong Syracusan infantry formation on the centre-right through missile fire (unsucessfully). Dionysus kept withdrawing, seeking to draw the Carthaginians towards his powerful Heavy Infantry reserve on that wing. Mago felt bold and pushed on in good order, forcing the Light Infantry screen to evade dangerously close to the edge of the battlefield (2-2).

The critical point of the battle had been reached. The Syracusans played I Am Spartacus and were able to order exactly the units it needed (no more, no less). The Syracusan Heavy Infantry charged Mago's heavies with numerical superiority and the extra inspiration from Spartacus. Two hits were not enough, however, with the Carthaginian heavy unit barely maintaining cohesion. It inflicted two hits on the battle-back, which was followed-up with the Clash of Shields the Carthaginians had wanted to use already on turn 1 but had not been able to. This decisively turned the battle. The Syracusan heavy infantry was crushed, Dionysus' depleted Auxilia routed and Dionysus himself forced to flee from the battlefield. (4-2).

It was a race against time for the Syracusans. Opting not to advance on the right or in the centre, they tried to swing over their powerful and hitherto-unengaged formation in the centre-right towards the exhausted and far-advanced Carthaginian right. Combining missile fire with which to slow down this lateral movement as well as mopping-up operations, the Carthaginians kept fighting on. The Syracusans were down to a single three-block Light Infantry unit on their left. (5-2)

With determination (and desperation), the Syracusans tried to move within range of a Mounted Charge (as well as a future Double Time) with their strong units, but the Carthaginian mopping-up pursuit was relentless. A lucky one-die ranged attack produced a banner, which forced the retreating Light Infantry to fall back in disorder. Before the Syracusans could unleash the thunder from the centre, Mago (the hero of the battle) personally took command of a Carthaginian Light Infantry, which promptly defeated the last Syracusan remnant on the far left. (6-2).


Thanks SO much to Alessio for two extremely entertaining battles. There was a lot of drama, countless swings in fortune and initiative and both methodical manoeuvres and hail-Marys galore. I was nervous and entertained from start to finish! My early bad luck in the first battle was definitely compensated by that fateful Spartacus attack, which Mago's unit survived. If it had not, I would surely have lost the second battle too. Super exciting stuff. Really well played, Alessio! Can't wait to play with you again! :-)

Excellent scenario too. Many different options and the wall creates some new situations we don't see too often.

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Mark-McG replied the topic: #3545 3 months 2 weeks ago
Game 1
Joe (Carthaginians): 6
Mark McG (Syracuse): 4

Syracuse was blessed with pretty good cards all game, but fumbled with the dice. Most of the action was on the Syracusan left, pushing over the rampart and deep into the Carthaginians. Syracuse was up 4-2 at this stage. A well played Carthage Line Command reversed the flow of the game, scoring 3 banners in a row. The last gasp from Syracuse fell short, and the response didn't even need the safety play. A stunning reverse.

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Game 2
Mark McG (Carthaginians): 6
Joe (Syracuse): 3

Syracuse played Doubletime first up and moved Heloris and the boys straight into the rampart assault. The trapped Bowmen put up a bit of a struggle, but succumbed. Some desperate scrabbling by Carthage managed to blunt and then turn back this assault, with the Heavy chariots earning their keep. A miserable Carthaginian Darken the Sky didn't do much, but fortunately Joe had a parade of Order 2 Right cards, so Carthage could recover their composure, polish off the LI on the Carthage Right, and coordinate a with the chariots to defeat the Syracusan Left. A very different played game from the first, with all the action on the Syracusan Right this time.

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mk20336 replied the topic: #3541 3 months 3 weeks ago
Game 1

MichalK (Carthaginian): 6 banners
TTK (Syracusan): 2 banners

Syracusan decided to save their light troops in first round rather than attack on the other wing. In long run that proved to be futile as Carthage managed to man on time the rampart. The game changing move (at least I see it like this) was moving the Himilco to endangered left wing, where he worked in conjunction with Chariots and Medium infantry.
So long as Syracuse had troops for one-to-one exchanges the game was balanced. Then it was only route and everybody for himself...

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Game 2

MichalK (Syracusan): 6 banners
TTK (Carthaginian): 3 banners

That game showed that this scenario can be played completely differently. I used immediately Double Dime as Syracuse, followed up by Clash of Shields. Yes, I lost one of my light troops at the sea, but moving close to ramparts and in the end occupying them was worth it. Some my attacks were repulsed but again, a critical factor was that Himilco was far from left Carthaginian wing.

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Great games and thanks to TTK for playing them so early in the month!

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